Whole Lotta Cores.. or Intel vs AMD Future CPU's : Zen.

Hi Guys

I also hope AMD reads this..but first some music! :-)

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The Zen FX CPU was announced a few weeks ago now, due end of 2016. (guestimated)

The 'guess specs'?

top-end:

16 cores w/ 32 threads
L2: 32MB .8MB per quad. L3:  32 MB cache,
clock 4 to 5Ghz.
bus 250-300mhz.
DDR4 2333mhz -3200mhz four channel.
14nm.

With such powerful hardware on the way, I'd like to suggest an idea to AMD..

Why not honestly re-brand and price the 8350 against the i3? Openly tell people, 'we re-branded and priced the FX8350 to compete with Intel i3, this means you get longer support as it's classed as a new chip.'

The competitor to the i5 could be your 12 core version of the 'Zen' 16 core, with 24 threads instead of 32. The idea being.. Intel can't do this structure as they place so much money into their core efficiency and so thats where their profit is. You did this before with the Phenom II's and we understood, but becuase the Phenom II/Deneb's weren't good enough, it made no real impact on Intel, because the cores weren't efficient enough

Vishera was .. different.

Right now at 3% total marketshare they have your backs against the wall..our backs.
We shouldn't take such a beating without fighting back.. and as it is OUR HERITAGE to add cores.. i say lets do it!!

I always say AMD vs Intel = truck vs race car. We know.. we have known for a long time, its how you do business, you bring Opteron Server tech to the desktop, to us.. its smart! Give us gamers and enthusiasts your biggest rig... 16 wheeler lorry with 32 exhaust pipes! Barrelling down the highway, unstoppable.


With 3 lorries of such high capacity, I don't see how Intel could compete. Imagine..

FX400 Series
8 cores
4.4Ghz
8MB
238Mhz bus. 18.5 multiplier.
DDR4 2333mhz.

FX600 Series
12 cores w/ 24 threads
4.6Ghz
24MB
242mhz bus. 19 multiplier.
DDR4 2666mhz.

FX800 Series
16 cores w/ 32 threads
4.8Ghz
32MB
252mhz bus. 19 multiplier.
DDR4 3200Mhz


People criticized us for having too little power.. then criticised us for having too much power. The real truth is.. people find things to do with powerful hardware. Now with 8 cores I *should* be able to stream.. and even render if I so like.. there's more out there.. I just haven't discovered it yet.

We need a decent chipset too, powerful one, full of M.2 connectors, not SATA which is starting to look like a serial port. packed with PCIE lanes for everything. PCIE 3.0 with forward upgradeability to PCIE 4.0, via a bios update and new CPU upgrade... did I mention about the M.2 slots..? they ROCK!

I don't enjoy mindless rivalry. I am a bit upset though to hear such a low market share..I always root for you in the desktop market, been with you for 10 years AMD, since the start. .2016 will be a big year.

bags the first ROADKILL!
hahaha


peace

Dava

*(changed it from the original coz it was too weird)

Speccheck + AMD Marketshare

Hi guys! Just wanted to share my current gaming rig, share yours too in the comments!


AMDPOWERHOUSE


Zalman H1 Full Tower case w/ auto 'sunroof' :)
FX-8350 @ 4.4Ghz
Corsair H100 (quad fan setup)
ASRock Fatal1ty 990FX Killer
16GB Corsair Vengance 1866 @1600 :/ *
Sapphire Toxic R9 280X
Powercolor DuoTurbo R9 280X*
Zalman 850w heatsink PSU 80+ Silver.
Win8.1 Pro Media Center
*loads of drives* including:
WD Black 1TB
Seagate 2TB Baracuda
Hitachi Deskstar 500GB (long term storage for files and backup files)
Kingston HyperX 240GB SSD
Sandisk 120GB SSD
Samsung 128GB PCIE (M.2) .. wow fast!*


I had some problems before.. I had just set it up and put it in the room for game streaming, but I moved it into the livingroom to troubleshoot another problem.. and got it working tiptop! Core-parking which my CPU hates..fyi depends on the (AMD) CPU some chips like it better on, some like it off.. mines is one that likes it off!

I did a 'proper' overclock* and shifted the weight to the bus to ease up on the CPU, saw my CPU usage in game drop dramatically, temps too*.
Got a VSR hack working so I can do 2560x1440*.

Im thinking it needs a new stylish name.. still deciding. the case is clean as Ive done all the cable tidying.. my phones battery has perma-died or id share some pics too.


I also have a HP Z400 Workstation
Xeon X5650 6 core 12 threads @ 3.06 Ghz auto-boost
9GB 1333Mhz Hynix triple channel specialist ram
EVGA 660-non
Kingston HyperX 240
Sandisk 120GB SSD
HP 480W PSU 80+ white :(

I've also got a blu-ray i have been meaning to install but haven't got round to it. If the PSU was better i'd put two 660-non in SLI.

Something Stelios said got me thinking.. and while thinking made me sad. maybe people don't think AMD are a bargain anymore :( .. I was reading a Forbes article on AMD Marketshare..they said, AMD is down to 3%..but the question for me is WHY? the 8350 still goes toe to toe with the i5 for much less cash! even 4 years on..and STILL beats it for SuperHD res and above.
The Zen FX CPU's next year are set to have 12 or 16 cores with AMD's Hyperthreading (Multi-Threading) so as long as they don't mess it up..which IS possible but I think unlikely..coz the *red* face they had for FOUR LONG YEARS after Phenom 1..nah. they seen it can be *good* they tasted the good life of respect with Vishera.. they wanna sit waaay above the i5's idk what Intels got planned, but IF they go 16 cores + MT.. thats going to be a hard CPU to top imo.

peace!

Dava



*(the board doesn't have 1866..weird!)
*Thanks Cameron!
* I page on this drive it's like extra ram!
*BIOS, instead of just using AMD Overdrive.
* from 90% to 100% to around 40% to 70% depending. temps didn't move too dramatically.. 80C down to around 70C but that a bit of improvement..but also I installed the quad-fan..this more helps with idle.. my chip has always ran hot though. right now at 46C idle. sometimes down to 35C.
*not presently enabled on 280X